G'bro Three Tops (NE Fell Championship) | 30-Nov-03 | |||||
Northern Runner Winter Series 2003-4 | Race 4 | |||||
Pos. | No. | Name | Club | time | cat/pts/total | |
1 | 409 | Charles Stead | N'land F.R. | 59.17 | S1/50/50 | |
2 | 389 | Paul Lowe | M'bro AC (Man) | 60.31 | S2/48/98 | |
3 | 415 | Andy Bissell | Knavesmire H. | 60.42 | S3/46/46 | |
4 | 402 | Phil Addyman | Claremont RR | 63.53 | S4/45/95 | |
5 | 298 | Ian Ellmore | Scarboro AC | 64.04 | V1/50/50 | |
6 | 297 | Chris Upson | Westerlands C. | 64.27 | V2/48/48 | |
7 | 395 | Simon Deakin | Individual | 64.42 | S5/44/94 | |
8 | 379 | Paul Figg | Quakers AC | 65.07 | S6/43/133 | |
9 | 121 | Ken Maynard | Quakers AC | 65.22 | V3/46/91 | |
10 | 252 | Paul Kelly | Darlington AC | 65.41 | V4/45/93 | |
11 | 411 | Ian Hodgson | M'bro AC (Man) | 67.29 | S7/42/42 | |
12 | 255 | Barry Atkinson | Knavesmire H. | 67.46 | V5/44/90 | |
13 | 299 | Rob Bailey | M'bro AC (Man) | 67.55 | V6/43/43 | |
14 | 289 | Stuart Backhouse | Scarboro AC | 68.50 | V7/42/87 | |
15 | 413 | Gary Burnip | M'bro AC (Man) | 70.52 | S8/41/41 | |
16 | 294 | Steve Haughton | Calder Valley | 71.21 | V8/41/84 | |
17 | 383 | Hugh Dawick | DEFRA | 71.37 | S9/40/129 | |
18 | 305 | Steve Mummery | Acorn AC | 72.44 | V9/40/40 | |
19 | 274 | Neil Byron | DEFRA | 72.49 | V10/39/77 | |
20 | 281 | John Sage | Ilkley H | 73.16 | V11/38/82 | |
21 | 15 | Caroline Pollard | Thirsk & Sow. | 73.19* | FV1/50/150 | |
22 | 412 | Andrew Minister | H'pool Burn Rd | 74.10 | S10/39/39 | |
23 | 302 | Simon Watson | Wednesday AC | 74.16 | V12/37/37 | |
24 | 133 | John Butler | Pickering AC. | 74.16 | VV1/50/50 | |
25 | 381 | Scott McFarlane | Wednesday AC | 74.40 | S11/38/120 | |
26 | 405 | Chris Clayton | Scarboro AC | 74.50 | S12/37/81 | |
27 | 260 | Dave Robinson | M'bro AC (Man) | 75.47 | V13/36/113 | |
28 | 401 | Keith Laverick | Individual | 76.12 | S13/36/77 | |
29 | 112 | Doug Welsh | Wednesday AC | 76.20 | VV2/48/138 | |
30 | 250 | Steve Honeyman | M'bro AC (Man) | 76.31 | V14/35/101 | |
31 | 306 | Nick Whittingham | Penistone FPR | 78.06 | V15/34/34 | |
32 | 270 | Andy Laing | M'bro AC (Man) | 78.20 | V16/33/69 | |
33 | 263 | Michael Fahey | Elvet Striders | 78.56 | V17/32/69 | |
34 | 262 | Peter Fahey | Elvet Striders | 78.57 | V18/31/95 | |
35 | 400 | Mike Pope | Whitby Vampire | 78.58 | S14/35/78 | |
36 | 101 | Mike Shaw | M'bro AC (Man) | 79.00 | VV3/46/137 | |
37 | 391 | Paul Haydon | FRA. | 79.49 | S15/34/151 | |
38 | 26 | Kate Wiggins | Knavesmire H. | 80.02 | FV2/48/48 | |
39 | 303 | Rob Wilkins | Cleve. Tri. | 80.09 | V19/30/30 | |
40 | 304 | Phil Hall | M'bro AC (Man) | 80.47 | V20/29/29 | |
41 | 104 | John Price | CMC | 80.48 | VV4/45/139 | |
42 | 131 | Gerry Symes | Calder Valley | 80.56 | VV5/44/44 | |
43 | 283 | Trevor Symonds | CLOK | 82.02 | V21/28/56 | |
44 | 301 | John Richardson | Individual | 82.04 | V22/27/27 | |
45 | 134 | Raymond Mogocz | Individual | 82.23 | VV6/43/43 | |
46 | 63 | Martin Overton | Tadcaster H. | 82.41 | VVV1/50/50 | |
47 | 382 | Lee Boothby | Wednesday AC | 82.42 | S16/33/104 | |
48 | 392 | Jim Welch | Teesdale AC | 82.43 | S17/32/75 | |
49 | 21 | Sue Haslam | Scarboro AC | 84.33 | FVV1/50/100 | |
50 | 1 | Cath Worth | M'bro AC (Man) | 86.08 | FVV2/48/96 | |
51 | 118 | Peter Whewell | NEVAC | 88.03 | VV7/42/117 | |
52 | 108 | Dave Parke | Scarboro AC | 88.56 | VV8/41/153 | |
53 | 24 | Julie Clayton | Scarboro AC | 93.04 | F1/50/95 | |
54 | 135 | Barry Moody | M'bro AC (Man) | 97.16 | VV9/40/40 | |
55 | 64 | Peter Duffy | Northern Vets. | 97.16 | VVV2/48/48 | |
56 | 18 | Julie Towse | Scarboro AC | 99.23 | F2/48/96 | |
57 | 130 | Roger Dawson | Skyrac | 109.39 | VV10/39/39 | |
58 | 132 | Danny Gordon | Quakers AC | 109.49 | VV11/38/38 | |
59 | 129 | Phil Bayley | Scarboro AC | 111.00 | VV12/37/37 | |
(End) | ||||||
Teams: | Club | pts | overall posns | |||
male: | 1 | M'bro AC (Man) 'A' | 41 | 2,11,13,15 | ||
2 | Scarboro AC 'A' | 92 | 5,14,26,52 | |||
3 | Wednesday AC 'A' | 119 | 23,25,29,47 | |||
4 | M'bro AC (Man) 'B' | 121 | 27,30,32,36 | |||
female: | 1 | Scarboro AC 'A' | 14 | 49,53,56 | ||
N.B. male team points exclude female results and vice-versa | ||||||
* course record (female) | ||||||
Dave Parry N.E.C.A.A Hill Running Convenor (01287 660309) | ||||||
Results © Rob Pollard 2003 |
What is the best route back from The Hanging Stone? |
In this race runners could choose any route they liked back from The Hanging Stone to the finish, as long as they didn't venture 'out of bounds'. Do the results show which is the best route back from The Hanging Stone? |
Quickest Time (column 3) The quickest runner back was Andy Bissell (18:39) who with Paul Lowe dropped down to the main track and took the roadies route back through the woods (as did approx. 50% of all competitors). Paul and Andy took time out of eventual winner Charles Stead who chose to double back to the moor and head back towards Highcliff Nab, along the Cleveland Way (see Charles's comment below). |
Most positions gained/lost
(column 5) More important than time is race position and the runners who gained the most between The Hanging Stone and the finish were Doug Welsh (29th) , Mike Shaw (36th) and Paul Haydon (37th) who each moved up 4 places. However this is obviously easier to do in the thick of the pack than up at the front. The biggest losers were John Price (41st) who lost 14 places (see John's comment below!), John Richardson (44th) who lost 8 places and John Sage who lost 7. If you're called John then I would spend more time reccy'ing this race in future! One runner (who shall remain nameless) dropped down from the Hanging Stone then promptly reappeared 4 minutes later to give the other route a try as well! (I've never heard of reccy'ing during a race before). |
The best route? (column 6) If the best route had been taken by a slow runner then it probably wouldn't have been obvious from the time taken or positions gained so column 3 is an attempt (by me) to see who took the optimum route. It is the time taken to reach The Hanging Stone expressed as a % of the total time taken to complete the race. All things being equal (which they're not of course) then the time taken to reach The Hanging Stone should be a measure of the competitors ability, so if they take a relatively shorter time to get back to the finish, this will produce a higher % value. The values are very similar but Lee Boothby (70.1%) and Raymond Mogocz (69.7%) were the top scores. Did they find the optimum route back or did they just pace themselves properly? (see comment from Scott McFarlane below). Phil Bayley (55.7%), Danny Gordon (61.2%) and John
Price (63.0%) were the worst scorers. Phil and John dropped down into Hutton
Village and followed the bottom track back (I wonder if Danny did too?) so
this route is definitely not recommended (despite many orienteerers claiming
it should be the quickest route back!). Conclusion: It would be far better (statistically) to compare the route each runner took back (column 1), with the rest of the results, but unless everyone tells me their route then there isn't enough information to do that yet, so this is all you're going to get for now! (but please e-mail me your route) Amen Comments: Charles Stead: Scott McFarlane: "Hi Rob & Others. Thanks very much for Sunday's race. We all very much enjoyed the morning! Lee Boothby 70.1% came home a different way to any other competitor, its our team secret for next year!!! Thanks again. Wednesday's A.C." John Butler: "Rob, Very interesting posting on the website. I took the moor route back as this was my first attempt at this race and I knew that this was the least risky route. Having said that I did make a small error dropping down off the moor through the woods to the finish. However I was level with Caroline Pollard at the Hanging Stone (we had been within a few metres of each other for the entire race up to that point). She dropped down to take the woods route and I went back up to the moor. I see from the results that she took more than one minute off me on the way back. Even allowing for my error (and her course record) I was surprised to lose so much against her time." John Price:
"Bit embarrassing this because I
should be able to run round these woods blindfold. In fact if I had done,
I'd have probably got back quicker. Suffice to say my route entailed
dropping down to Hutton village and then along the bottom tracks. Everyone
else seemed to have more sense. I put my route choice down to early
exposure to the Russell O'Callaghan School of Navigation and I reckon I
deserve more handicap points because of this."
© Rob Pollard 2003 |
Hanging Stone to Finish data | ||||||||
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | |||
final |
route | H.Stone | H.Stone | H.Stone | posn | % time | ||
posn | Name | time | to finish | posn | change | to HS | ||
3 | Andy Bissell | W1 | 00:42:03 | 00:18:39 | 4 | +1 | 69.3% | |
2 | Paul Lowe | W1 | 00:41:42 | 00:18:49 | 2 | 0 | 68.9% | |
1 | Charles Stead | M3 | 00:39:44 | 00:19:33 | 1 | 0 | 67.0% | |
7 | Simon Deakin | 00:44:30 | 00:20:12 | 7 | 0 | 68.8% | ||
9 | Ken Maynard | M2 | 00:45:00 | 00:20:22 | 10 | +1 | 68.8% | |
5 | Ian Ellmore | W1 | 00:43:41 | 00:20:23 | 5 | 0 | 68.2% | |
8 | Paul Figg | M3 | 00:44:40 | 00:20:27 | 8 | 0 | 68.6% | |
6 | Chris Upson | 00:43:49 | 00:20:38 | 6 | 0 | 68.0% | ||
10 | Paul Kelly | M3 | 00:44:40 | 00:21:01 | 9 | -1 | 68.0% | |
13 | Rob Bailey | M3 | 00:46:29 | 00:21:26 | 14 | +1 | 68.4% | |
11 | Ian Hodgson | M2 | 00:45:53 | 00:21:36 | 12 | +1 | 68.0% | |
4 | Phil Addyman | W | 00:41:42 | 00:22:11 | 3 | -1 | 65.3% | |
12 | Barry Atkinson | 00:45:32 | 00:22:14 | 11 | -1 | 67.2% | ||
14 | Stu. Backhouse | M1 | 00:46:35 | 00:22:15 | 15 | +1 | 67.7% | |
16 | Steve Haughton | 00:48:32 | 00:22:49 | 18 | +2 | 68.0% | ||
17 | Hugh Dawick | 00:48:32 | 00:23:05 | 19 | +2 | 67.8% | ||
21 | Caroline Pollard | W1 | 00:50:02 | 00:23:17 | 22 | +1 | 68.2% | |
18 | Steve Mummery | 00:49:08 | 00:23:36 | 21 | +3 | 67.6% | ||
23 | Simon Watson | 00:50:40 | 00:23:36 | 25 | +2 | 68.2% | ||
15 | Gary Burnip | M3 | 00:47:10 | 00:23:42 | 17 | +2 | 66.6% | |
19 | Neil Byron | 00:49:06 | 00:23:43 | 20 | +1 | 67.4% | ||
25 | Scott McFar'ne | 00:50:54 | 00:23:46 | 26 | +1 | 68.2% | ||
26 | Chris Clayton | M1 | 00:51:04 | 00:23:46 | 28 | +2 | 68.2% | |
29 | Doug Welsh | 00:52:16 | 00:24:04 | 33 | +4 | 68.5% | ||
24 | John Butler | M1 | 00:50:02 | 00:24:14 | 23 | -1 | 67.4% | |
47 | Lee Boothby | S | 00:58:00 | 00:24:42 | 50 | +3 | 70.1% | |
28 | Keith Laverick | 00:51:17 | 00:24:55 | 30 | +2 | 67.3% | ||
36 | Mike Shaw | W | 00:54:03 | 00:24:57 | 40 | +4 | 68.4% | |
45 | Ray. Mogocz | 00:57:23 | 00:25:00 | 46 | +1 | 69.7% | ||
27 | Dave Robinson | 00:50:40 | 00:25:07 | 24 | -3 | 66.9% | ||
43 | Trevor Symonds | M2 | 00:56:47 | 00:25:15 | 44 | +1 | 69.2% | |
46 | Martin Overton | M2 | 00:57:23 | 00:25:18 | 45 | -1 | 69.4% | |
48 | Jim Welch | 00:57:23 | 00:25:20 | 47 | -1 | 69.4% | ||
30 | Steve Honey'n | 00:51:04 | 00:25:27 | 29 | -1 | 66.7% | ||
42 | Gerry Symes | 00:55:20 | 00:25:36 | 43 | +1 | 68.4% | ||
37 | Paul Haydon | 00:54:05 | 00:25:44 | 41 | +4 | 67.8% | ||
39 | Rob Wilkins | W | 00:54:23 | 00:25:46 | 42 | +3 | 67.9% | |
35 | Mike Pope | 00:53:06 | 00:25:52 | 37 | +2 | 67.2% | ||
33 | Michael Fahey | 00:52:42 | 00:26:14 | 35 | +2 | 66.8% | ||
34 | Peter Fahey | 00:52:32 | 00:26:25 | 34 | 0 | 66.5% | ||
31 | Nick Whitt'ham | 00:51:36 | 00:26:30 | 32 | +1 | 66.1% | ||
38 | Kate Wiggins | 00:53:31 | 00:26:31 | 38 | 0 | 66.9% | ||
49 | Sue Haslam | W1 | 00:58:00 | 00:26:33 | 49 | 0 | 68.6% | |
32 | Andy Laing | M | 00:51:36 | 00:26:44 | 31 | -1 | 65.9% | |
22 | Andrew Minister | 00:47:02 | 00:27:08 | 16 | -6 | 63.4% | ||
20 | John Sage | M | 00:46:07 | 00:27:09 | 13 | -7 | 62.9% | |
40 | Phil Hall | M1 | 00:53:37 | 00:27:10 | 39 | -1 | 66.4% | |
50 | Cath Worth | M2 | 00:57:35 | 00:28:33 | 48 | -2 | 66.9% | |
44 | John Rich'son | 00:52:53 | 00:29:11 | 36 | -8 | 64.4% | ||
52 | Dave Parke | M1 | 00:59:34 | 00:29:22 | 52 | 0 | 67.0% | |
51 | Peter Whewell | 00:58:35 | 00:29:28 | 51 | 0 | 66.5% | ||
41 | John Price | W2 | 00:50:54 | 00:29:54 | 27 | -14 | 63.0% | |
53 | Julie Clayton | M1 | 01:02:28 | 00:30:36 | 54 | +1 | 67.1% | |
55 | Peter Duffy | 01:04:10 | 00:33:06 | 57 | +2 | 66.0% | ||
54 | Barry Moody | 01:04:07 | 00:33:09 | 56 | +2 | 65.9% | ||
56 | Julie Towse | M1 | 01:03:55 | 00:35:28 | 55 | -1 | 64.3% | |
57 | Roger Dawson | 01:10:42 | 00:38:57 | 59 | +2 | 64.5% | ||
58 | Danny Gordon | 01:07:15 | 00:42:34 | 58 | 0 | 61.2% | ||
59 | Phil Bayley | W2 | 01:01:47 | 00:49:13 | 53 | -6 | 55.7% |
Key: 1) Rough route from The Hanging Stone: M=climbed back up to the moor edge - exact route not known M1=back up to the moor edge then towards Highcliff gate and retraced route M2=back up to the moor edge then down 'badger track' to main forest track M3=back up to the moor edge then towards next gate after Highcliff gate W=dropped down into the woods - exact route not known W1=dropped down into the woods - then followed main track back W2=dropped down into the woods then via bottom (railway?) track S=secret route - different to everyone else!? 2) Time taken to reach Hanging Stone
Amendments: 02/12/03
routes added where known © Rob Pollard 2003
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